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Wilson
07-06-2007, 08:16 PM
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13621295/detail.html

Dispute Erupts At Wal-Mart Over Ear Piercing Of Girl

WICHITA, Kan. -- A woman was issued a warning for trespassing and asked to leave a Wal-Mart after she called police when she heard a young girl who was getting her ears pierced crying and screaming.

Marilyn Johnson said she was told she would no longer be allowed in the store after the incident occurred Sunday.

Johnson said she called 911 after trying to talk to the girl's mother and the employee who was doing the ear piercing. She said the girl, who she thought was about 5 years old, was "crying her eyes out."

"Her face was beet red, and she was screaming and coughing and saying things like, 'I don't want this! It hurts! Please stop!' She was grabbing her ears so the adults couldn't touch them," Johnson said.

Johnson said the women did not respond to her and continued trying to pierce the girl's ears.

"We're forever being told we should report any suspected child abuse," said Johnson, 53, of Wichita.

"I saw a child crying and screaming and pleading for someone not to do something to her. And if that's not child abuse, I don't know what is."

However, the girl's mother and the employee were not breaking any laws, Wichita police spokesman Gordon Bassham said.

Kansas law requires written and notarized consent from a parent or legal guardian before someone under 18 can get a body piercing or tattoo. The law does not say whether piercings or tattoos can be forcibly administered.

"The parent was not, in the eyes of the officers, doing anything illegal," Bassham said. "This could have been a cultural thing for the mother, or a religious thing. There are so many factors at work.

"For us as law enforcement to try and predict the reasons and the motivations behind this is not possible, and that's not our area."

The mother was not identified by police or store officials.

At the request of a Wal-Mart official, police issued Johnson a warning for trespassing and escorted her from the store, Bassham said.

In a written statement, Wal-Mart spokesman Dan Fogleman said:

"Ear piercing is a service that Wal-Mart offers to our customers of all ages. A parent or legal guardian's signature is required if the person having their ears pierced is under 18 years old, which was the case in this instance.

"The child's mother indicated more than once through the ear-piercing process that she wanted her daughter's ears pierced."

In cases where a child opposes the piercings, Fogleman said: "Local management has discretion based on the individual circumstance."

Johnson said she plans to talk to legislators about making state law more specific about when piercings or tattoos become possible abuse.

"I can't understand doing that to a child who's screaming and crying and clearly didn't want this done," Johnson said. "If I'm the crazy one for calling the police, then maybe I'm crazy. But I don't think so."

FamilyGal
07-06-2007, 08:34 PM
I wouldn't have called the police, but I probably would have said something to the mother.

Wilson
07-06-2007, 09:23 PM
I wouldn't have called them, either. But I'm glad somebody else did. I'd have been in tears myself and probably would have just left the store.

eaglesprings
07-06-2007, 10:01 PM
This is somewhat one of those "hard cases," in not really knowing what the best thing is to do. If a Mom wanted to have her child's ears pierced at 5, why didn't she do it at birth? Perhaps the child begged to have her ears pierced, and once they were at Wal Mart, changed her mind. Why a Mom would not respect her wishes and back off, I don't know! Most of us would, but in this day and age, who knows what we are really dealing with in regards to different cultures and stuff?

Heck, my youngest screams up a storm when I give her the "car sick" medicine. I'm sure someone would call the police if they heard her! I'm surprised it hasn't happened, as I usually am tempted to postpone it as long as possible. It's got to be done, though.

Oldest, when she was younger, was on a trip with her Dad, and swore up and down while he was taking her to the bathroom "This is not my Dad!" Uh, yeah, it was, but she was just screaming stuff because she was tired and grouchy. Someone probably should have called the police, they would have discovered it was a case of a moody child, etc., but hey, kids can raise a ruckus, when they are so inclined.

Oldest son called 911 once to report a spanking. LOL! At that point, husband decided he was too old for spankings, but then he started getting grounded, a much worse punishment!

All to say, I think people should pretty much mind their own business, unless they really see a kid getting abused. A kid crying at the ear piercing place probably isn't it. Maybe, but probably not.

Wilson
07-06-2007, 10:16 PM
It's all debatable, but this is my take... I spend SO much time and energy trying to teach my kids that it's THEIR body, no means no, etc. I cannot fathom the mixed messages that they would get when they are then taken and forced to have something painful done to their body, when they are very clearly voicing opposition to it. That is what bothers me... what forcing a child into in regards to their own body does to whittle away at their self-respect, their sense of self. Does no really mean no when it's okay for mommy to do it or mommy told the Walmart worker to do it anyway? That's just not a line that I want my kids to see blurred.

TXrose
07-07-2007, 11:41 AM
The Walmart worker should have said no I can't. My daughter wanted hers pierced at 5, so I took her as soon as she got their picked out earrings and sat on the chair she changed her mind, so we left. She did end up getting them pierced a year later but there was no way I would put a kid through that.

eaglesprings
07-07-2007, 11:44 AM
I agree the Wal Mart worker should have said "no" and I agree the Mom should have not forced ear piercing on her daughter, but I can't automatically assume someone should have called the police.

Wilson
07-07-2007, 11:58 AM
I think it's perfectly reasonable for a young child to want to do something like have her ears pierced, but change her mind. I think it's *wonderful* that a parent respects that. I'm a little shocked that WM has a policy (and I don't mean to single WM out, just this is the store this particular incident happened at) that encourages the employees to continue the process when the child is under such duress. They really should rethink their policy, imo.

eaglesprings
07-07-2007, 12:13 PM
Speaking to the Wal Mart manager would not be out of line. It's disturbing to their other customers to see such a ruckus, and unless someone speaks up about it, it might not even occur to them to change their policy. Or, maybe write a letter to their headquarters Customer Service Department.

Wilson
07-07-2007, 12:31 PM
Eh, I'd rather just bitch about it on a message board. Surely that is much more productive :rolleyes:

schnauzermom
07-07-2007, 12:37 PM
I don't think it was wrong to call the police. The situation was such that the caller was not really sure what was happening. Who knows how this could have escalated. Let the police sort it out. If the parent is not doing anything wrong then fine, but at least someone was trying to protect the child.

eaglesprings
07-07-2007, 12:41 PM
Eh, I'd rather just bitch about it on a message board. Surely that is much more productive :rolleyes:

LOL!

I can relate!